No-skill-human-noobs!

Akatosch · 2nd Sep 2007, 19:26 CEST

OMFG! Do you know these Hu-players which take against UD at firts the pala (holy light-godshield) - OMG how nooby; well lets return to the main thing.

Than he makes an fast exp. and avoids battles, because he know that his micro is TOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. I make a counter-exp. and do the normally thinks: creep, scout, units....... well

When I scouted I saw very much defend and blocking of his mainbase and exp.(HUs........).

Than he starts harrass and harrass and harrass very quite fucking but well....he harrass..and harrass with his goddman godshield and staff. All in all no prob but I saw with my shadows that he has very much workshops so he will start to pump his damn tanks - yes and how I thought he started. I did of cource very muhc meatagons but his numbers of tank was too high.......he loughs and skilled guys like me are just feeling cheated of that imba fuck.

So your commenst please.

Nordahl · 2nd Sep 2007, 19:51 CEST

We all know Human is imba, go tell Blizzard

mephiztopheles · 2nd Sep 2007, 20:12 CEST

yeah tell blizzard, Although how do you feel about changing to human?

karltoffel · 2nd Sep 2007, 23:33 CEST

human players - like orc, ud, elf - play to win, don't blame them.
though i understand your feelings ofc, being ud myself

icyF · 3rd Sep 2007, 11:31 CEST

I used to think human players who make mass towers and tanks are retards, but after giving it some thought I started thinking that those players play Warcraft as a Real Time Strategy game, not as the micro game which it has become.

karltoffel · 3rd Sep 2007, 13:01 CEST

so you appreciate that the style they copy is more about strategy than the style other players copy? sure makes sense.

Akatosch · 3rd Sep 2007, 16:13 CEST

The reply that I get now, is that I should flame Blizzard that they make HU weaker^^

hmm nice idea..........

But the others: no ideas?!

miczo · 3rd Sep 2007, 16:49 CEST

got one: use disc hack every time a hu show on the loading screen or if you dont wanna cheat just alt+q+q

nebu · 3rd Sep 2007, 17:14 CEST

well i you have enough dessis the towers are no problem and with panda, wyrms, meatwaggons the tanks shouldn´t be a problem? the only annoying thing you´re right about is the pala against ud..

and if you´re skilled as you say, why didn´t you stop the FE in first place? against hu i´ll search and follow hiim first 2-3 minutes and creep with my ghouls meanwhile...

Nordahl · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:05 CEST

I have never seen a top Hu being stopped from expanding by a top Ud, it just isn't doable, and Hu can be allowed to have a bigger income for a while, the problem is that with all the towers it is pretty much impossible to kill it, because the Hu will just camp in there with the small amount of units he has and stop you from it, and if you try expanding yourself as an Ud, the hu will run in and stop it, that is why the towers are so imbalanced.

Akatosch · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:20 CEST

@ MYM]nebu

1. Last example: Echo Isles, UDvsHU
It was already on t1 to t2 (at that time) and scoutet with my DK the other goldmine out - ghouls at creeping - hmm well nothing ok......

So I was sure he would fast tech (on the replay I saw that he came in ca. 1:30 min to tech-.-)

When I watched again I was alredy on t2-t3 and their were already 7-12 towers = contra exe!

Than he harrassed me with that damn pala a bit......surround.......staff out-.- (of my point of view imba that godshield-staff combination but ok)

Than I get on t3 my first shadows after a time and than I so it: 3 workshops........MEATWAGONS!!! I got 4 with 2 slaughterhouses against 10-12........-.-

2. wyrms?! omg when the hell I should have the gold and time for it, in first case of cource for slowing.

2.1 When we are already there, I have one question: If I make of cource gargs on t2 and he than these laming tanks in instead of flying mashines + their upgrades....I think gargs and dessis becomes than a bit useless or?! So the onliest what to do is abo because Ima not really a friend of UD-mages. (@ Lich: not to you

)

Sooo its a long text but pls give me an answer.

Akatosch · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:22 CEST

@ Nordstahl:

I know that too, give me a solution for it^^

icyF · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:33 CEST

#5 I didn't say I appreciate it or like it. I was merely pointing out that human players rely more on the strategy part of the game than on the micro part. And after all, this is a real time strategy game, so who are we to blame them?

Silver_Haren · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:40 CEST

Block gold mine with zigs stop the pal from harrasing effictively untill lvl 5, and on EI it is quite hard for hu to get lvl3 pal fast if you have your dk behind him while he creeps..

And Nordahl quit whining just becourse you dont have any skilled hu players, like me, on your team. :P

Flex- · 3rd Sep 2007, 18:52 CEST

What a pussy... how about next time you dont give him a chanse to exp and just camp on his base?
The guy will spend a lot more defending than you will spend attacking...

DieeLf · 3rd Sep 2007, 19:00 CEST

human is imba ..............

RonniMBL · 3rd Sep 2007, 19:11 CEST

Well, Im playing undead, and lot at a so low level, and I dont have so many trouble at defeating the HU FE, actually i concider HU my best MU. I also think that paladin is the weakest of the HU heroes, to make a FE with.

Because, that with a paladin, human is barely able to make any damage at all against your ghouls, so if u make a lot of ghouls, u can really make some imba rushes. Off cause, for some lower players, its hard, because they simply dont have the ghoul micro needed, to make something like that, because the human will do whatever he can to keep hes units alive.
Vs a paladin its also rare you really lose any HP, against the human, at the harras, and its easy to steal creeps from paladin.
If he wants to creep a merchant or something, on hes way, jack him there with 4-5 ghouls, or more, depend at situation.
He will eventually get up hes expansion, but sometimes u can delay him so much, with a good rush, that u can counter it with dessis, isnt so hard vs pala, but almost impossible vs AM.
But if he blows off your rush easily, so u dont make any severe damage in the start, i suggest u try creep very fast, and get hero advantage...

But if rush fails, you shouldnt count on getting a win...

Nordahl · 3rd Sep 2007, 20:16 CEST

Im not whining #13, Im merely stating the facts as they are now, and I do infact have 2 Humans on my team, that doesn't make them less imba

RonniMBL · 3rd Sep 2007, 21:04 CEST

#17
"on my teams".. If counting Mym.sca as 1 of "your team" you have 3... Storm, Taager and Yellow

Nordahl · 3rd Sep 2007, 21:17 CEST

I just have one team, MYM.Sca is not mine

2nd Sep 2007, 19:51 CEST	#2
Nordahl Hardcore Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,225	We all know Human is imba, go tell Blizzard __________________ I line up my hair perfectly!

2nd Sep 2007, 20:12 CEST	#3
mephiztopheles Citizen Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 115	yeah tell blizzard, Although how do you feel about changing to human? __________________ if at first you dont succeed, erase any trace that you tried

2nd Sep 2007, 23:33 CEST	#4
karltoffel Junior Citizen Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 90	human players - like orc, ud, elf - play to win, don't blame them. though i understand your feelings ofc, being ud myself __________________ www.karltoffel.de - my blog =)

3rd Sep 2007, 13:01 CEST	#6
karltoffel Junior Citizen Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 90	so you appreciate that the style they copy is more about strategy than the style other players copy? sure makes sense. __________________ www.karltoffel.de - my blog =)

3rd Sep 2007, 17:14 CEST	#9
nebu Citizen Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 115	well i you have enough dessis the towers are no problem and with panda, wyrms, meatwaggons the tanks shouldn´t be a problem? the only annoying thing you´re right about is the pala against ud.. and if you´re skilled as you say, why didn´t you stop the FE in first place? against hu i´ll search and follow hiim first 2-3 minutes and creep with my ghouls meanwhile... __________________ turn on, tune in, drop out..

2nd Sep 2007, 19:26 CEST	#1
Akatosch Influential Citizen Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 496	OMFG! Do you know these Hu-players which take against UD at firts the pala (holy light-godshield) - OMG how nooby; well lets return to the main thing. Than he makes an fast exp. and avoids battles, because he know that his micro is TOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. I make a counter-exp. and do the normally thinks: creep, scout, units....... well When I scouted I saw very much defend and blocking of his mainbase and exp.(HUs........). Than he starts harrass and harrass and harrass very quite fucking but well....he harrass..and harrass with his goddman godshield and staff. All in all no prob but I saw with my shadows that he has very much workshops so he will start to pump his damn tanks - yes and how I thought he started. I did of cource very muhc meatagons but his numbers of tank was too high.......he loughs and skilled guys like me are just feeling cheated of that imba fuck. So your commenst please.

3rd Sep 2007, 11:31 CEST	#5
icyF Adequate Citizen Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 469	I used to think human players who make mass towers and tanks are retards, but after giving it some thought I started thinking that those players play Warcraft as a Real Time Strategy game, not as the micro game which it has become. __________________ How do you do, my name is Trouble.

3rd Sep 2007, 16:13 CEST	#7
Akatosch Influential Citizen Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 496	The reply that I get now, is that I should flame Blizzard that they make HU weaker^^ hmm nice idea.......... But the others: no ideas?!

3rd Sep 2007, 16:49 CEST	#8
miczo Junior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 42	got one: use disc hack every time a hu show on the loading screen or if you dont wanna cheat just alt+q+q

3rd Sep 2007, 18:05 CEST	#10
Nordahl Hardcore Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,225	I have never seen a top Hu being stopped from expanding by a top Ud, it just isn't doable, and Hu can be allowed to have a bigger income for a while, the problem is that with all the towers it is pretty much impossible to kill it, because the Hu will just camp in there with the small amount of units he has and stop you from it, and if you try expanding yourself as an Ud, the hu will run in and stop it, that is why the towers are so imbalanced. __________________ I line up my hair perfectly!

3rd Sep 2007, 18:20 CEST	#11
Akatosch Influential Citizen Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 496	@ MYM]nebu 1. Last example: Echo Isles, UDvsHU It was already on t1 to t2 (at that time) and scoutet with my DK the other goldmine out - ghouls at creeping - hmm well nothing ok...... So I was sure he would fast tech (on the replay I saw that he came in ca. 1:30 min to tech-.-) When I watched again I was alredy on t2-t3 and their were already 7-12 towers = contra exe! Than he harrassed me with that damn pala a bit......surround.......staff out-.- (of my point of view imba that godshield-staff combination but ok) Than I get on t3 my first shadows after a time and than I so it: 3 workshops........MEATWAGONS!!! I got 4 with 2 slaughterhouses against 10-12........-.- 2. wyrms?! omg when the hell I should have the gold and time for it, in first case of cource for slowing. 2.1 When we are already there, I have one question: If I make of cource gargs on t2 and he than these laming tanks in instead of flying mashines + their upgrades....I think gargs and dessis becomes than a bit useless or?! So the onliest what to do is abo because Ima not really a friend of UD-mages. (@ Lich: not to you ) Sooo its a long text but pls give me an answer.

3rd Sep 2007, 18:22 CEST	#12
Akatosch Influential Citizen Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 496	@ Nordstahl: I know that too, give me a solution for it^^

3rd Sep 2007, 18:33 CEST	#13
icyF Adequate Citizen Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 469	#5 I didn't say I appreciate it or like it. I was merely pointing out that human players rely more on the strategy part of the game than on the micro part. And after all, this is a real time strategy game, so who are we to blame them? __________________ How do you do, my name is Trouble.

3rd Sep 2007, 18:40 CEST	#14
Silver_Haren Newbie Citizen Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	Block gold mine with zigs stop the pal from harrasing effictively untill lvl 5, and on EI it is quite hard for hu to get lvl3 pal fast if you have your dk behind him while he creeps.. And Nordahl quit whining just becourse you dont have any skilled hu players, like me, on your team. :P

3rd Sep 2007, 18:52 CEST	#15
Flex- Influential Citizen Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767 My Mood:	What a pussy... how about next time you dont give him a chanse to exp and just camp on his base? The guy will spend a lot more defending than you will spend attacking... __________________ Sup?

3rd Sep 2007, 19:00 CEST	#16
DieeLf Newbie Citizen Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10	human is imba .............. __________________ DieELf 4 LiFE

3rd Sep 2007, 19:11 CEST	#17
RonniMBL Junior Citizen Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 56	Well, Im playing undead, and lot at a so low level, and I dont have so many trouble at defeating the HU FE, actually i concider HU my best MU. I also think that paladin is the weakest of the HU heroes, to make a FE with. Because, that with a paladin, human is barely able to make any damage at all against your ghouls, so if u make a lot of ghouls, u can really make some imba rushes. Off cause, for some lower players, its hard, because they simply dont have the ghoul micro needed, to make something like that, because the human will do whatever he can to keep hes units alive. Vs a paladin its also rare you really lose any HP, against the human, at the harras, and its easy to steal creeps from paladin. If he wants to creep a merchant or something, on hes way, jack him there with 4-5 ghouls, or more, depend at situation. He will eventually get up hes expansion, but sometimes u can delay him so much, with a good rush, that u can counter it with dessis, isnt so hard vs pala, but almost impossible vs AM. But if he blows off your rush easily, so u dont make any severe damage in the start, i suggest u try creep very fast, and get hero advantage... But if rush fails, you shouldnt count on getting a win...

3rd Sep 2007, 20:16 CEST	#18
Nordahl Hardcore Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,225	Im not whining #13, Im merely stating the facts as they are now, and I do infact have 2 Humans on my team, that doesn't make them less imba __________________ I line up my hair perfectly!

3rd Sep 2007, 21:04 CEST	#19
RonniMBL Junior Citizen Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 56	#17 "on my teams".. If counting Mym.sca as 1 of "your team" you have 3... Storm, Taager and Yellow

3rd Sep 2007, 21:17 CEST	#20
Nordahl Hardcore Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,225	I just have one team, MYM.Sca is not mine __________________ I line up my hair perfectly!

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